Tibhar Grass D.TecS

Very good

Very good quality as expected.

One of the best pimpled rubbers I’ve ever used, a little bit harder to use than Victas P1v and P3, but more deceptive. Only need a little more adjustment, and if you get used to it, you can beat a lot of players than you used to. I tried the 0.9mm sponge, 1.2mm, and 1.6mm, and the one suited to my liking is 1.2mm, and the second one is 0.9mm sponge.

Ova trava je dobra kako za block na stolu tako i za chop odmaknut od stola. Treba imati na umu da nije nimalo spora čak i bez spužve!

Once I’ve gotten used to it, the rubber has created lots of problems for my opponents.

Es un caucho peludo que proporciona una excelente ubicación con las bolas y repele los efectos eficientemente si se usa con una buena técnica de golpes; es para un alto nivel de juego defensivo.

EX Product!

I have my in OX (without sponge) on Nittaku Goriki blade. It’s quite fast and you can do all kinds of stuff with it. You can chop, block, but it’s hard to control. For me, Dr.Neubauer Allround Premium 2 suits me better because it’s easier to attack.

But overall, Tibhar Grass is good, but you really need to know what you are doing.

This rubber is great at everything. I always come back to this rubber: chopping, reversal, returning serves. And I have it on an offense blade so I can keep my attack style on the forehand.

Bought for a friend, my beloved rubber. Very nice, as always, but remains the most expensive long pip rubber….

Bought the green version with sponge. Have yet to master it, but it does cause problems to opponents when I get the technique right.

Pentru stilul meu de joc este foarte bună.

Profesyonellik için bundan daha iyisi yok diyebilirim.

Good at everything.

This long pips rubber is highly effective when correctly used. The pips can create heavy spin and are very effective with blocking topspin.

Never had issues with this rubber.

Great rubber. Good spin reversal, wish I had ordered it with sponge. OX no good for me.

Easy to use.

This is my third LP. I was amazed when I switched from Curl P1 to this LP. Specially with ox, the reversal is unimaginable! However, it is more difficult to play with LP; this LP needs a long time of training to unlock its secrets and potential. I am still learning and happy with it: D

Good rubber for defense

Играю длинными шипами Tibhar Grass D. TecS на основании Butterfly P.Korbel, справа гладкая накладка Xiom Vega X. Длинные шипы в ОХ. Получилось очень контрольное сочетание накладок и основания с превосходным чувством мяча на ракетке. Шипы быстрые, но при этом с хорошим контролем. Можно выполнять не только защитные элементы (блоки, чоп-блоки), но и накаты по мячам с нижним вращением. Эти шипы отправляют быстрые, непредсказуемые мячи для соперника, заставляя его ошибаться. Отмечу, что с ними надо подружиться, поскольку они не легки в освоении, надо некоторое время. Но это того стоит :)

То, что мне надо

0.5mm sponge gives better control in comparison to OX.

Have bought this earlier, so no complaints. Tt 11 delivers.

The OX version is perfect for the close-to-the-table game. Opponents have trouble with the deception effect and wobbling effect of this OX version. Perfect for short ball placement, close-to-the-net ball placement, and this OX version can also be used for aggressive pushes for wide placement. Best long pimple I have used for my BH.

Good.

Your product is very great! Top quality! Every time it’s very easy to buy on your site!

Nice :)

Best LP for experienced players, but a long practice period is needed to find out its advantages. Very fast delivery.

The main feature of these pimples is the inability to create backspin when playing near the net. They create a very unpleasant “drunk” trajectory.

I played for nearly 2 years.

The thickness OX is suitable for “standing still” footwork players, good for strong spinless hits, but not very good for the second and third zones.

0.9 and 1.2 are good for play in all zones.

1.6 is difficult for me.

After 2 months, you need to replace them because of damage.

In my opinion, the best rubber for long pimples.

Good rubber.

King of LP rubbers, definitely. Challenging rubber both for a player and his opponent. Success is possible if a player masters it before his opponent. Takes a lot of practice to understand its full potential. I play with 0,5 thickness and I am satisfied a lot with this rubber. TT11 best and fast service.

My old “Grass” needed replacing, so I decided to try the “new Grass” on the faster Juic Balsa-C, which appears to be working well. I need more practice with this setup to gain confidence with all my shots. GRASS DTecS with OX is a great product at a good price from Tabletennis11. Great delivery.

Awesome service by TT11, so is the product.

Very good pimple rubber with disruptive effect. Easy to play. Durable.

I tried this rubber on a Firewall Plus blade for about a month and keep going. My conclusions are contradictory. Its advantages are good control, good disturbing effects, and effective play close and far from the table. Its disadvantages are the difficulty of playing aggressively with strong shots and the ease with which you can lose seemingly easy balls. I continue the training because I see that this rubber has many secrets that will be revealed to you as you get familiar with it.

Очень хорошие шипы.

I have both the 1.6mm and the 0.5mm. Both are excellent for deception if you are quick enough with your side changes. The 0.5 is best for defense (very easy to intercept fastballs), and the 1.6mm allows for unexpected spin-free attacks.

For me, it’s a bit fast, but it’s an excellent defensive rubber.

This rubber may be the state of the art for spin reversal. Do not use it on medium or soft blades; Dtecs will play poorly on it. If you want to play from mid-distance or close to the table, usually the best strategy will be to use Dtecs in OX. If you play from long distance and are using a stiff, hard, slow blade such as the Victas Koji Matsushita original, then 0.5mm sponge is recommended. 1.6mm sponge is not recommended because while you can chop consistently with such a high thickness to your opponent’s end line, the spin reversal is not heavy enough. If you are looking to be a thick sponge chopper, I recommend TSP Curl instead, as Curl enables you to create your own spin (which requires sponge) and not simply reverse your opponent’s spin.

Противник в напряге, разгадывая, что от меня прилетело. Если не думает и не смотрит, то или в сетку, или за стол. Пока я более путающих шипов не встречал! Best!!!

Good long pips rubber, very well for modern defense. I like the P1R better than this.

Excelente goma de puntos largos, tiene un gran control cerca de la mesa y a media distancia. Se pueden hacer muy buenos empujes para atacar.

Control, refund of rotation on top!!!!

There was no glue sheet or instructions. I tried water-based glue, and the rubber fell off the bat. Trip to hardware store, M3 double side tape is perfect. Check on YouTube how to fix:)

I like to attack, but I am not good enough to use it.

Great, great!

Es mi goma preferida luego de probar tantísimas.

This rubber troubles both the user and opponent. You can never get used to its gears. Not at all forgiving. You lose a few points due to slight bat angle issues. You gain a few points due to deception and reversal. Some simple balls you will miss to send back. Some simple balls the opponent will drive long or into the net. Works better with hard blades.

I recommend the OX version for the most effect; it is a good rubber for players who want to play long pips on the BH.

Nothing like it. My favorite; got 15 Grass D.Tecs OX on all my paddles except one (Talon OX).

The best OX long pips for chop blocker.

The best OX long pips for chop blocker. Order from Tabletennis11: fast shipping, very good price.

I occasionally play long bead starting thirty years ago. While I like this as a defensive rubber, I don’t see much difference from other much cheaper rubbers. They are equally difficult to pull the ball while hitting is OK.

I have used GD for years on my backhand. In OX, the rubber can create wobbles and be very deceptive against many players under a 2000 rating. The downside is that it is very hard to create offense with it. Hitting with a topspin motion is nearly impossible. Using .5 or .9 sponge and higher makes attacking with the backhand topspin motion easier. 1.2 or 1.6 work even better for attacking. With sponge the deception is not there, but the ability to slow down or speed up the action remains. The big change is having the ability to topspin with the backhand and attack an opponent. I’m confident that most, if not all, players a bit over a 2000 rating use sponge.

Excellent control with OX, but very difficult to attack with it. An effective weapon against most players under 2000. Since more players are learning to play against long pips, using it with sponge to attack could be indicated.

I had been a typical inverted rubber player on both sides of my blade for all of the time I had been playing table tennis. Did not play for many years and then got back into the “swing” of things about six years ago still using inverted rubber. Enjoyed the inverted rubber, but just to “mess around” (about three years ago) I tried long pips rubber on my backhand and proceeded to bamboozle many players in our club even though I did not know how to use the long pips. The ratings of the players I compete against were/are as high as to be in the upper 1900s (FYI, my rating recently has been over 1800, and I think I can get to 2000). As I became more proficient with LP rubber I began to try different brands. On the advice of others who used the rubber in different clubs and my own personal experiences with various LP rubber, I started using GDT. At first I used sponge, and then I tried OX. By far, my control and deception were better with OX. No matter, the rubber is very difficult to control, especially when trying to loop (topspin) topspin. It is best to block, chop, or use sideways strokes against topspin. Underspin can be handled with an almost normal topspin stroke. There are some strong advantages in using this rubber. First, the rubber is likely the most deceptive legal LP rubber presently on the market. Second, this is a tensor rubber so it can be fairly fast. Third, the rubber is very good at slowing the pace of a game or speeding it up. My guess is that if a person becomes proficient at using the rubber and has good basic fundamentals, the player might reach a level of somewhere over a 2200 ranking. It should be noted that elite players generally seem to have little trouble playing against long pips. On my forehand I use black Xiom Omega VII Euro 2.0 rubber. The sponge is medium at 42.5 degrees. My blade is a BBC (Blades by Charlie: bbc table tennis blades by charlie) and the model is called the Quantum Quad Trip. It is the best blade I have ever used and it is made specifically for long pips rubber.

For now, I’m enjoying this rubber.

King of long pimples? This pimple is the best. Very durable. Takes time to master, but worth it. Produces disturbing shots in the defensive game. The best!

Our club member ordered this rubber and he liked it very much. Good control, very deceptive, and even he is able to topspin. Also, it lasts long. Definitely, he will buy it again. Thanks to TT11 for great service.

Накладка для профи. Создаёт очень большое неудобство сопернику, но ошибок не прощает, нужно всё время быть собранным для выполнения элементов.

Thanks for all the good reviews. It is indeed quite pricey, but worth a try. I used it on a Barricade blade, and the control is fantastic.

I’ve tried many LP OX rubbers. This one, I think, is the best of OX LP. Very nice at def blades (Donic Defplay Senso V3).

I can say it is one of the best long pips. I can do anything I want. The best. I used OX, better for close to the table to medium distance. Blades I’ve used before are Viscaria, Primorac, Timo Boll ZLC. Now, I’m using OSP Immune, OX Pushblocker, and OX Classic.

I tried Dawei 388D OX, but didn’t like them much. I have been playing with Feint Long 2 with 1.1 sponge for a few months now, but after trying these pips in OX, it just suits me much better. The spin reversal is nice with these; even the slightest topspin gets reversed. I found it quite easy to chop with mid-distance as it’s not too spin sensitive, but you just have to get used to the throw angle and speed. These pips are very good close to the table too, but not easy to use; you need a very soft and quick touch to get its full potential.

Очень стоящая накладка для игры в защите — замечательно путает при определённом умении, а вот атаковать ей непросто.

Of course these are great; everyone knows that. The price at TT11 is the best anywhere.

Control y velocidad muy buenos en una madera Dr Neubauer Barricade.

A rubber which makes the game difficult for the adversary, very good.

Good reversal of spins that confuse your opponents, but bear in mind that it is also a bit difficult to control. You have to practice with the rubber constantly in order to get the better of the rubber. This rubber is good for blocking as well as attack.

Pero realmente molesto. Lo utilizo para cortar y se mueve en el aire, es de difícil control, pero una vez que lo dominas no lo querrás cambiar más.

The rubber is as expected so far. Appears durable.

Simply the best LP money can buy.

Easy to play LP

Классика, наравне с Curl P1r. Очень неприятны запилы и флэты при хорошей работе ног, естественно. Идеально для отработки 3-й зоны на губке 1,2 мм. Можно играть чопблоками, перекрывая стол на OX (топшит без губки), но при таком раскладе игрок должен быть очень подвижным и уметь перекрывать форхэндом весь стол. Поэтому мысль о том, что такой вариант подходит для “энергобережливых”, выглядит забавно.

супер

Отлично в защите, и неожиданно мощная атака.

Замечательный шип. Немного сложноват — но это вторая сторона вариативности игры им.

Fast shipping; would recommend.

The beauty of this rubber is a different response of play, and returns for the opponent are tough as it creates a lot of disruption (OX or the thin rubber). The rubber needs good practice to make effective use. This rubber is hard to control. Another easy rubber to play, having a very similar rubber to this, is Dr. Neubauer Killer and Leopard, and it is creating beautiful backspin on opponents' topspin and making it tough for them to hit on the return.

Good practice with this rubber can give you a lot of advantage against people who don’t know how to play against pips-out rubber.

Again, the super-fast and perfect service of tabletennis11.com is outstanding and amazing on packaging and shipment.

I use this rubber on almost all my 13 c-pen rackets, except 1 or 2 w/ Dragon Talon, all of them OX. I definitely prefer D.Tecs because on returns the ball dives and spins more. I have to mention this German-made rubber got excellent quality and is very durable. A little pricey… the only con.

One of the best long pimples out there.

Отличные шипы

I tried this with a 1.2 sponge. For me, it offers two advantages over the OX version. Balls are easier to attack (including topspin) and the balls are returned faster (it gives your opponent less time to react). The downside is that it is not as deceptive as the OX version. Passive blocks are easily returned.

Still a good LP, but I prefer the OX version.

Horoshaja nakladka mnogo vozmoznostej no trebuet ot igroka bolshoi koncentracii vnimanija

It is more speed than I used to. Need more practice.

自从尝试改成进攻长胶打法，我就不断实验。

这个打法，挺拔草内能非常出名。速度快，又下沉强。

Returns any serve easily (with proper push technique) and sends back spin or a knuckleball that most can’t handle.

Q

The best and the number 1 of long pips.

As far as I know, this is JooSeHyuk’s choice of LPs. Very funky knuckleballs when hit properly. Most of the best defenders at my local club use this (with variable thickness). I have only tried OX and thin ones so far, but I am willing to try out thicker versions for long-distance defense on my Butterfly JSH blade.

Horoshaja kontroljnaja nakladka Nebolshie problemi pri igre pervim nomerom t.e pervij atakujusii udar

Отличные шипы, только надо правильно подобрать основание.

Very good pips.

I’ve been using long pips for many years now, and I don’t think I have ever seen a long pips with friction that is more difficult for my opponents to play with. Plays similar to Giant Dragon Talon, but a little faster and definitely more tricky for opponents. If you like a long pip that is grippy, where you can manipulate the amount and type of spin you are putting on the ball, this is for you. It’s definitely not for a first-time long pips player. For that, I’d recommend something with much more control. And I would personally only pair it with a blade that is All- or slower. I used to play an Off- blade with it and it was far too fast. You will get the most pips effect with no sponge. With the Donic Defplay Senso I am able to block, chop-block, punch block, chop, and hit very effectively. The amount of grip on the pips makes lifting against backspin very effective. Getting the right touch against fast dead balls is most difficult, but that’s true for most long pips. Overall, this is a really great rubber!

I used the pr1. I enjoyed this control near the table.

Recommended this rubber using a DEF blade, very comfortable for blocking and service receive.

Excellent

If you want to put junk on the ball in OX, then this is one of the best rubbers on the market for that. Along with Dornenglanz, Grass Dtecs is a fantastic junk rubber for wobble effects.

Nice effect, very nice speed.

Good rubber, nice shop! Satisfied!

Took too long a time to deliver.

Playing with OX long-pips is easier than with sponged long-pips.

Playing 1.6. Production quality is excellent; pips will not break for a long time.

If you know what to do with these pips, they will perform in hit attack, defense—far and close to the table chop—and fast block. Good for spin manipulation, gives some random effect. Very easy to control.

Nice rubber.

Probably a good rubber, but not for me at this time. Too lively and bouncy. I may need a bit more time to adjust coming from TSP Curl P1R. Just wanted to try this rubber out, but will probably go back to my old rubber.

No problems, class service.

I have tried a lot of LP, but find this as the best LP with great control but still with a lot of disruptive effect and good attacking possibilities.

The OX version has better control, and this rubber works better further away from the table, but still O.K.

Excellent for defensive strokes on BH. Good control close to table, especially with swiping strokes. Uses OX. Not a very quick rubber. Long durability. Causes a lot of confusion for opponent due to high spin reversal.

First time using these, so it may take a few more games before I can truly appreciate this rubber. So far so good, though.

I had the OX version of this rubber and never really figured out how to play with it, and found it very effective. The sponge version is way better for chopping and stable away from the table for blocks. I highly recommend this product, and TableTennis11's price is great.

I had Feint Long II before. The Grass D.TecS is working better for me—more counter effect & spin.

Given its disadvantages, I hate buying it, but I just can’t win as many points with the others. I’ve tried many.

Muy buena goma.

It is a difficult rubber to play with. This product is for professionals only!!

Price so so, and quality good.

One of the best long pips out in the world today. Very controlled when receiving serve. You can push through the spin, lightly or a heavy chop block. Will put the ball back very quick and give a lot of confusion. It is best to play with a very spinny rubber on the other side. Remember, practise makes perfect. Have fun and be happy.

Tried GRASS D. Tecs for the first time. Definitely better than 729 755 OX rubber in terms of control, but with less wobbling effect and getting a lot of extra points on chops. This is definitely the one to keep; will need to play more to learn how to use its full potential. Great PIP so far. Will try the sponge version next.

Good for chopper. Pretty strong.