Tibhar Evolution MX-S

This is the first time I have played with a brand other than Andro Rasanter. I have played with R47, R42, and R37, but I wanted something with less bounce/catapult and a lower throw angle. The Special R47 was too hot for me to handle. I play close to the table or just a bit away as I play aggressively with LP.

When I first played with the MX-S, it felt very different. It felt like the rubber grips the ball when you hit it, which is a good feeling. I could control where the ball went in slow play and when spinning.

I don’t use very long attacking strokes as I play close to the table and need to recover back in time. I have problems with high arc rubbers or very bouncy/catapult ones. This one seems perfect. It might not be as fast, but it is fast enough for me.

The complete bat was 2 grams heavier (134g) than with FS Battle II (132g). I can’t say much about durability yet.

This rubber is phenomenal! It offers unbridled power and speed but almost deliberate control on every shot. It is almost immune from oncoming spin, and the output is directly proportionate to the player’s input. Loops, pushes, blocks, flicks, topspin, service game… it’s all there with MX-S!

Power, spin, and a low flight ball are all what I need for my forehand attacking looper style. I use it on the Tibhar Force Pro Samsonov Black Edition blade.

This rubber is very similar to the MX-P. It offers a little bit less speed but a little bit more spin. It’s great for forehand topspin because it’s very fast but still has extremely high amounts of spin. It’s also very good for serving.

Thickness: 2.0
Blade: Andro Treiber K OFF

Blocking: 10/10

• Very controlled
• Not sensitive to rotation

Topspin: 10/10

• Very good spin
• Ball goes exactly where intended
• Very good power

Serves: 9/10

• Good, but could be better

Distance from the Table:

• Can play close to the table, at half distance, and away from the table
• Great for playing in any zone

Pickup: 9/10

• Forehand flick could be better

Orientation:

• Lining for players with good technique
• If your technique is good and your hits are not “random,” you can use this rubber
• Rubber may seem strange at first, but you will get used to it over time

Recommendation:

• On a slow blade, it may be a bit too slow
• On a fast blade, it is recommended

Great mix for spinny loopers and those who like to counter as well. Serves and receives are excellent. Blocking is effortless, and flipping/opening are simple.

It is exceptional for looping, chopping, and almost everything else, except for two issues:

1. Weight
2. Re-gluing causes it to shrink by about 2 millimeters.

Despite being a very stretched rubber, it remains controlled. While it requires effort to master, the rewards are substantial.

Hello, here is my first review for MX-S rubbers. I got two sheets of them with a maximum 2.1 mm sponge attached to my old Stratus Powerwood blade. Considering that I upgraded from softer rubbers (Andro Rasent BH, DHS Hurricane 8 mid-hard), first of all, after the first hold and first few balls, I found that the blade is really heavier than before. Stratus PW is notorious for head heavy, and also MX-S is one of the heaviest! The whole combo gives good power when playing with good technique and fast full movement. The main problem until now is that I am not finding myself well yet. I don’t have the same control as before for BH. MX-S is not forgiving at all. You should play very good technique to get something from this rubber. Until now I can’t generate that enormous spin that I heard about. The spin I generate is good, almost like the one with DHS or Fastarc G-1, but it is harder to obtain that amount. I didn’t find MX-S as very fast rubber, it is just speed enough when you play good technique. If you play passively, this rubber is almost dead, noting that I am using all-wood 5 plies blade. The best thing so far with this rubber is the serve receive and small touches. It’s so controllable with a good feeling to place the ball in the desired spot while keeping it short. I played for 4 sessions until now. The rubber needs to be cleaned to maintain its grip quality. I think I need to develop my physical skills to fit this rubber more and hope I will decode its secrets with more training sessions. Still not a fan of it, though.

Not a rubber for me. I am too old and not fit enough to handle this kind of rubber. It is very heavy and hard, with the sponge feeling almost as compact as the topsheet. I can’t do spinny serves with it and miss the table most of the time when trying to be offensive close to the table.

However, I really like it from a distance. It becomes very powerful and spinny when hitting hard.

This is more durable, forgiving, and spinner than an MXP. However, if you are looking for good spin and control, MXS should probably be the third option in the $40-$60 range, after Donic Bluefire M3 (which has insane control and spin even for backhand far away from the table) & Razka 7 (similar more durable)… Good BH option.

This rubber stands out with its unique character and performance. It offers great speed and acceleration while maintaining very good control.

When using maximum thickness on a Donic Waldner World Champion '89 Blade, this combination excels in blocking and ball placement. The grippy top sheet provides excellent touch and feel.

The rubber generates impressive spin and power, but requires proper technique to fully utilize its capabilities. Opening up shots becomes effortless, producing spinny curves with precise wrist and arm movements. Flicking is also enhanced.

Overall, this rubber earns a solid 5-star rating and a resounding 10 for its exceptional performance.

The Xiom Vega Pro table tennis rubber is a high-quality rubber that is fun to play with. It uses Max. Speed and Spin, which gives it a great combination of speed and spin. I give it a 10 out of 10 overall.

Excellent rubber with an absurd spin, very good speed, and a wonderful grip on the ball. It’s one of the rubbers that I had the easiest time with spin, both yours and against opponent backspin. The blocking with it is also very good.

Many people have mentioned the MX-S’s high spin values, but I use it for FH smash and powerful counterhits. The MX-S is not very spin-sensitive but creates a nice curve when you hit through the ball with a closed racket angle. It is an easy spin rubber that appreciates powerful FH strokes. When you make a good stroke, the sponge loudly clicks, giving clear feedback.

I played with 1.7 thickness for several years, and it was not slow at all. I switched to 1.9 with the new plastic balls. I play with the Stiga Clipper Wood, but the MX-S plays nicely with all blades I have tried.

It took me 2 days to understand this rubber. It is not for beginners, but once you get the hang of it, it will be one of the best out there. You need to develop a technique/stroke to be able to optimize this “unicorn”. It is on the same level with T05 and better than Acuda and Yasaka.

I use this rubber as forehand on my Yasaka Reinforce LT (with Rakza 9 on my BH). I was so disappointed on the first day I used it, but I did not give up and continued playing with it until I figured it out. This rubber is very explosive!

Bought this the same day I saw it. The wait seemed very long.

Having played all Evolution rubbers except FX-P, with Rasant and Rasant grip as my favorites, this was way beyond what I was expecting. It is exactly (and I REALLY mean this) a mix of Tenergy 05 and Fastarc G1! And since they are my favorite rubbers, this was a blast.

Speed is just exactly how I want it, and as I am an offensive spin-attacking player that likes to take a step back from the table, I adore this. I think it leans towards spin rather than speed, but I don’t mean slow. Far from slow. Just behind MX-P.

The rubber shines like a tailored costume. Having played with it about 20 times now, I can’t see a better rubber anywhere, and I have tested 130 rubbers. The hard, low sidespin a step back from the table that almost no one has taken is a dream. A dream that comes often.

Tibhar Evolution MX-S

I have been using this rubber with max thickness in black on my forehand side, mounted on a Tibhar Drinkhall Defense Classic blade.

Offensive Performance:

• High topspin levels when lifting backspin balls, requiring good technique.
• Significant spin imparted on brushed topspin shots, making them difficult for opponents to control.
• Adequate speed for forehand loops and side spin loops, with excellent spin and kick.
• Fast and accurate flatter topspin shots, providing pace and precision with less spin.
• Consistent counter topspin shots with a short swing and firm topspin stroke.

Defensive Performance:

• Control is good with a medium to medium-high throw, allowing for direct fast blocks and controlled slower blocks to absorb incoming pace.
• Pushing is effective with good control, enabling various push variations.

Serving:

• Excellent spin potential for all serves, enhancing deception and unpredictability.

Overall:

This rubber provides a balanced combination of offense and defense, making it a versatile choice for table tennis players of various skill levels.

If you are looking for the ultimate all-around rubber for the modern game with the plastic ball, this is the one. You get all the benefits of the modern tensor and the short game of an old-school rubber. It’s a harder and better MX-P. T05 is still a better rubber for looping, but the MX-S is more all-around and easier to play.

Glued on a Stiga OC, it’s a spin monster. Blocks are crispy, chops are easy to do, and the speed is a bit faster than a T05. No rubber is perfect, but this one comes close to perfection.

Very good backhand (BH) rubber. Very forgiving, and if you have a good technique, you will love it. The throw angle is a bit higher compared to MX-P, but the catapult effect is non-existent. The rubber does what you want it to do.

My forehand rubber on my Stiga Clipper CR WRB is one of the top ten rubbers of all time. It fits my style perfectly.

It is spinnier than MX-P, but a tad slower. However, the spin is out of this world!

Wow! A rubber that combines the spin of a tacky Chinese rubber with the power of a European rubber made in Germany. You have to try this weird ESN sponge mixed with a super-spinny surface!

The S series of Tibhar Evolution is the most similar to Tenergy so far, offering speed, good spin, consistency, sound, and a pleasant sensation. It has a medium angle, providing excellent topspin capabilities. All strokes are consistent and easy to execute, with a sensation of medium hardness. Compared to the Evo EL-S, it feels slightly softer, possibly due to the upper layer. Overall, it is a very good rubber, closely resembling the performance of Tenergy 80.

Feel soft, low throw, good service, and short game, but not much power in long distance. Good close to the table, less catapult than MX-P. Weight is less than MX-P.

This is my first impression. After 4 hours of training, I reglued it and will try again tomorrow, hoping tomorrow is going better with falko glue-3 lears.

After one week, I feel this is a hard rubber, low, low throw, good very close to the table, brush topspin, Chinese style rubber. You need very good footwork. It’s not forgiving rubber and not for my playing style (I’m not from China). I’m back to my lazy European rubber, sorry China, sorry Ma Long.

I tried MX-S on BH. It’s great for blocking and hitting. Then I tested it with my FH, and it’s really good! It’s very linear, with very little catapult effect. With a good arm, you can really shoot huge topspin. The amount of spin is even better than T05 (which is my actual FH).

The only issue is the weight. I might keep up with this one when I’ll change my T05.

This rubber fits right in the middle between tensor and tacky rubbers. It’s a nice “transition rubber” with tons of spin in serves, flicks, topspin/topspin rallies, etc. You should try it if you like hard and spinny rubbers but lack the strength for a tacky rubber.

Wow! The spin! - njb.

Very heavy, the sheet weighs 73 grams. Comparable rubbers (e.g., Xiom Vega Japan) weigh significantly less. Additionally, the edges of the rubber break after minimal use.

Despite the weight, it is very fast and imparts spin, but control is lacking. It is suitable for forehand play. The price is reasonable, but the weight and inconsistent throw are significant drawbacks.

Yo uso MxS color rojo, grosor máximo, en una cuchilla YeO7 Off+. Cuesta mucho acostumbrarse al control y al efecto. Es una goma dura y pesada. Pero una vez que te acostumbras, tiene un efecto increíble.

I’m so in love with this rubber!

I’ve used this rubber on Xiom Zetro Quad (not so fast Carbon blade) on my forehand for the last 4 months. The sponge-to-topsheet combination is fantastic. The sponge is really hard (more density than MX-P) but has a softer topsheet, so in general, the rubber doesn’t feel hard but medium hard in my opinion, and in play, this has many positives.

Topspin: this is where this rubber is amazing because I feel that I can really decide how much spin or speed I want to generate. If you need speed, the hard sponge is really good, and at the same time, if you need more grip too, the topsheet really helps! The arc is medium/medium-high, and that’s good for a so hard sponge!

Spin: in general, this rubber is very, very spinny, when you topspin and when serve too.

Control: like I said, the softer topsheet helps to make the rubber more easier to play with, so the blocks and service response are easy.

Negative: a bit heavy, on smashes is a bit slower than MX-P, need a good technique!

Conclusion:
My playing style is really top spin/spin oriented, and I need good control for fast blocks. So for me (tried Rasanter R47, T05, Omega V, Bluefire JP01), this is the best forehand rubber I’ve tried. Really high recommended rubber for rotation topsins.

Another on the top 10 list, this spin-elastic monster doesn’t need any presentation. Everything has already been said.

Update with another blade (ALC)

And the result is different: no more issue with FH, the ball is keeping the same curve whatever the arm speed, thus more consistent on this harder wood. Thus, depending on which blade you use, it may be better for FH or BH. Definitely a good rubber in any case.

I am using the MX-P on BH on Stiga Celero

Replacing my long-time favorite on both sides, Vega pro (also reviewed). I will, therefore, try to make a comparison between both:

• MXS feels a little bit harder and is heavier.
• Spin is very similar.
• Throw angle of VP is higher.
• Sensitivity to incoming spin is higher on VP, thus more control on MXS for me on the BH.

Power/speed:

• With smaller arm movements (e.g., BH), the MX-S is faster, but with full power, the VP is much more powerful!!!
• And also more consistent, indeed I have the feeling that the more power I give (full arm), the lowest the throw angle is (with MXS) and my FH topspins were always very close to the net (or in the net…).
• With the VP, the faster I move, the faster the ball is going and always with an identical angle, it is very linear and proportional to arm speed.

In the end, I tried the MXS as a potential replacement of my VP on the FH, but I will only use it on the BH. MXS gives me some benefits: less sensitive to spin and lower throw thus easier for blocks, and I don’t have the fast arm / low throw angle issue with my BH.

When I first played with the MX-S, I absolutely hated it. It was so heavy, and the harder I hit with it, the lower an arc it seemed to produce. However, I’m glad I didn’t take it off of my blade because the second and third time around, I discovered how I could make this rubber shine: serving, heavy, and well-placed topspin drives from close to the table and precisely placed active blocks and pushes. Be warned though, this rubber will do nothing for you if you have bad technique and improper movement. Be committed to the shot, or your opponent will expose this rubber’s weaknesses.

One of the best rubbers ever manufactured for forehand topspin. The spin generated is immense, but one needs to know the right technique. Once you adapt to it, you would not even go for Tenergy. It works very well with the Timo Boll ALC blade. However, you need to reglue it after a while. One must definitely give it a try.

Having returned to the game after a 35-year layoff, these rubbers have really helped me reproduce and improve on what I remember my style of game used to be.

When starting again, I purchased a pre-made Tibhar Power Carbon jobby just to start me off. I found this okay for control, but I found it hard work to generate the speed and spin that I wanted. So the old Volcano++ rubbers were ripped off and replaced with MX-S 2.2 on both sides.

This new setup has given me exactly what I want for my attacking style. I am now able to replicate and actually improve on my backhand and forehand hitting, topspin, and looping. My short ball backhand flick generates an enormous amount of spin to force a long and high return for me to have a go at.

Control on both sides is excellent, allowing me to place loops and topspin shots pretty much where I want them. Most errors are self-inflicted, and I cannot blame the bat for that!

My only slightly negative observation is that short pushes are a little more difficult, but if you push long with good technique, plenty of backspin is generated, or you can play a no-spin ball to make it more awkward for the other player to settle into a pushing game and allowing a more aggressive opening shot from me.

Very happy, and looking forward to growing with this setup.

A good forehand rubber with a nice feel and spin. However, it is a bit heavy.

Have been playing with T05 on FH for a while now (Dornenglanz II 0,5 (homemade) on BH, twiddling).

Decided to give this one a try, but did not have high expectations. How wrong I was.

This rubber is truly great and there is no reason to pay almost double for T05. Transition from T05 was done after a couple of strokes.

I might agree that T05 is a tad better for service, but that’s it. All other aspects are equal if not in favor of MX-S.

By the way, my blade is Stiga Defensive Wood NCT.

This is the best rubber I’ve ever used for the combination of being able to create spin on all of my own shots, while still being able to easily handle spin on opponents’ shots. It has plenty of speed if you crack it good too.

I use it on my Xiom Vega tour blade and since I’ve been using this rubber, I’ve been beating players I could not beat previously. This is the best forehand rubber ever for me.

This rubber is currently the best available. It provides a soft reaction to touch shots, generating consistent speed and spin when power is applied. It is an excellent rubber, and it is difficult to imagine a better option for any attacking player at the moment.

I was having problems with my MX-P. My hits were powerful but mostly very long and hard to control, and I had to be mid-distance at the table to contain them. The push was also uncontrollable for me because of the catapult effect.

In contrast, the MX-S has no catapult effect, which makes pushing controllable and my hits not long, even if it is close to the table. I need to swing to unleash its power. I am currently using this, and my percentage has improved.

Very good forehand rubber. It offers excellent speed, spin, and control. There is not much catapult effect, but you can feel decent support from the medium-hard sponge.

I have tried my MX-S on two different blades, which gave me two different results. When it was on Butterfly Mizutani Jun, the speed and control were like a dream. However, when it was on my JOOLA Bomb Extrem, it felt a little slow, which I am unsure if it is because of the sponge hardness.

Ultimately, it is a great rubber with great spin, speed, and control. It is great for modern games with new balls.

Bardzo dobra guma. Spróbowaliśmy wersji MX-S 1.9-2.0 na FH. Wcześniej był Rasant Grip. Jest szybciej a tyle samo kontroli i rotacji. Póki co rewelacja!

I tried this rubber in 1.9mm on the forehand and 1.7mm on the backhand on a J.O.W Limited Edition blade. It’s beautiful. Try this combination!

Great quality, beautiful red sponge. Spinny, slower than Acuda Blue P2 or Joola Maxxx-P on the short game because of soft topsheet, but as spinny as P2 (as spinny as it gets) and as fast or even faster on flat hits or power loops because of the Red Power (medium hard) Sponge. Great for BH blocking, pushing, looping, and topspins at close to middle distance from the table.

Using max thickness and an off to off+ blade, you could get it to produce awesome, Tenery-competing speed and spin with great consistency far from the table too. Serves can be deadly. Good price also. Vladi Samsonov plays Tibhar MX series on both wings.

However, for lower level club or competition play, I recommend 2.0 thickness on BH using an all+ 5ply wood blade. I used it with Yasaka Sweden Extra and really love the variations and all-roundness of MX-S. Real must try. Also, this is one of the few non-ESN rubbers that really compete with Tenergy at the top levels, and the construction is also more similar to Tenergies than to ESN tensors due to it having more natural rubber on the topsheet, and a really premium quality red sponge (like Tenergy’s).

The MX-S is known for being the hardest version of the EVOLUTION range. It is particularly suitable for players who use a more physical style of play by accelerating their arm and wrist movements. This specific style helps players harness the full potential of the MX-S. While playing at the table or at half distance, the MX-S offers consistent performance.

When using the MX-S for FH drives, it feels responsive and crisp. The rubber has a medium catapult and OFF speed rating, encouraging hard drives from a mid-distance. During forehand loops, the rubber produces a slight clicking sound and excellent feedback, allowing for angled shots with exceptional control.

The throw angle can be characterized as medium. It provides enough arc to clear the net, even against heavy backspin balls. For a comprehensive review, please refer to the following link: http://blog.tabletennis11.com/tibhar-evolution-series-table-tennis-rubbers-review.

Very good grip on the topsheet. Good for first loop, generating fast topspin that descends under the table. I use it on the forehand of a carbon blade, Yasaka Silverline Carbon.

I prefer the MX-S over the MX-P. I don’t notice as much difference in speed, but I do notice that the MX-S has more spin. I’ve been using it on my backhand on a carbon blade.

Have been using it on Xiom Vega Euro blade as a forehand rubber for more than 3 months. Previously, I used a second-hand Tenergy 05. The spin of MX-S is almost the same or higher than 05, speed is lower, and control is higher. As a spin-oriented player, I like it, but when it comes to weight and catapult, it frequently fails and then suddenly you long for 05. However, when you receive a side spin serve, you trust more on MX-S.

Briefly, there is something missing in this rubber compared with 05, which is weight and catapult effect in my opinion. I recommend it to those who have very fast loop, quick feet, and are a spin lover.

A good forehand rubber, but an outstanding backhand rubber. It provides tremendous power and excellent feel, especially when playing away from the table. This rubber excels at lifting backspin. Overall, it’s a versatile rubber that performs well in various situations.

I just shifted to MX-S for my backhand and this rubber is surely worth it. It has good control, speed and spin. The best part about this rubber is its feeling. It has a great feel to it. Blocking and backhand topspin go very smooth. It’s the perfect backhand rubber.

Blade Selection for Table Tennis Rubber

The choice of blade material can significantly impact the performance of a particular table tennis rubber. Different blade characteristics, such as hardness, softness, and springiness, can affect the rubber’s overall behavior.

Hard Blades

Hard blades provide less flexibility and a more direct response. They are suitable for rubbers with a high level of control and spin, as they minimize energy loss due to blade deformation. Examples of hard blades include those made from ALC (Arylate Carbon) or ZLC (Zylon Carbon).

Soft Blades

Soft blades offer more flexibility and dwell time, allowing for more spin and control during play. They are particularly effective with rubbers that prioritize spin and deception. Woodpliers, which are blades made primarily from wood, are known for their soft and flexible characteristics.

Springy Blades

Springy blades provide a balance between hardness and softness. They offer a combination of control and power, making them suitable for a wide range of rubbers. Examples of springy blades include those made from a combination of carbon and wood, such as certain versions of the Stiga Infinity VPS series.

Excellent spin and block. Very good short game. A great rubber for forehand.

Really nice rubber, great with plastic balls. I play on a wood blade and it’s really good. Easy first spin, power topspin or side spins with nice rotation. Passive block is easy, active too. This rubber is for everyone with very good attributes. If you play with plastic balls, buy this rubber.

UPDATE:

After 3 months, the MX-S is ready to be switched for new rubber. I feel a little problem with slow loops. The durability is lower than Rasant Grip, T05, but better than Bluefire JP02 or Xiom OVEU.

I was playing with Donic Blue Fire M1 Turbo in my FH and now with MX-S. The spin and control are amazing. The speed is less than the Blue Fire but still fast.

Very similar to Yasaka Rakza X. Excellent. No complaints.

I have played T05 and T80 for two years, but the MX-S is my new choice. The sponge feels hard, and the topsheet has a lot of grip like the T05, perhaps a little bit more. The quality is great, and the price is reasonable at 34 euros.

The rubber has many gears. It is very spinny, good for blocking, short services are no problem, good for smashing, and awesome for topspin. Topspin on backspin is very easy. This rubber is a very good choice for variable attacking players.

Pros:

• Short game: Excellent control and feel for precise placement and touch shots.
• Spin: Generates high levels of rotation, enabling offensive and defensive spins.
• Speed: Offers a balance of speed and control, allowing for both attacking and defensive shots.
• Counterspin: Effective against opponents’ spin, maintaining control and disrupting their shots.

Cons:

• Weight: Some variants can be relatively heavy, potentially affecting maneuverability and wrist fatigue.

The rubber excels in generating topspin due to its excellent grip. Despite its speed, it offers decent control, making it suitable for forehand attacks.

Moreover, the rubber effectively counters counter-spins and provides stability for straight play within 1-2 meters from the table. In my experience, it is the best rubber I have used, and I highly recommend it for players seeking a versatile and high-performing rubber.

The rubber is almost as fast as T80 and has better spin. However, the speed is slower than T64. This makes it a very good rubber for spinny and fast game. The best thing about this rubber is the heavy cut it produces.

I switched from MX-P to MX-S max on both wings. MX-S sponge is a bit harder, but the topsheet is softer than MX-P. It has less catapult, more spin, and is a bit slower than MX-P.

This rubber provides very good grip and is easier to handle in short-short or serves.

It also generates massive spin for topspins.

I have been using the Tibhar MXS in 1.9 on my backhand (mostly) for around 6 months now. I use it on a Donic True Inner Carbon blade.

This is a fantastic rubber that excels at top spins, drives, flicks, blocks, chop blocks, and even punches. Unsurprisingly, it’s crispier and more direct than the Yasaka Rakza Z (MAX) I use on the forehand.

Banana and strawberry flicks are particularly enjoyable, as well as loops and counters, and blocks/punches. Flat hits, smashes, and short touches are also very good quality, while I find it a little harder to execute classic chops.

The only main drawback I find is its durability, which is okay. After using it for 6 months about 8 hours per week, I can tell the spin has started to reduce, while my Yasaka Rakza Z seems to be more durable.

Overall, it’s an outstanding rubber!

My favorite rubber - lots of spin and nice speed.

Amazing spin, control, and power. It requires effort and consistent technique; it can be unforgiving if you play a lazy stroke. One sheet lasts me about 60 hours on the forehand side.

Un buen caucho para el control de bolas y bloqueo.

I tried the MX-S 2.0 on my forehand rubber and I was told that it seems to curve more in mid-air. It also seems a bit slow but not too slow for my forehand. Perhaps I am used to using MXP on my forehand. MX-S seems to fit more on my backhand. I tried the rubber on Timo Boll Spirit, and it seems a bit slow. It seems MX-S shines more on a longer dwell blade such as Tibhar Stratus Powerwood. As far as power, it appears that MXP generates more power as expected. As for spin, it’s about the same as MXP. Excellent rubber for the backhand.

One of the best rubbers on the market.

Wonderful for both forehand and backhand if you can generate enough power, still very good even if you can’t but you can get that brushing contact.

Thin, soft topsheet so it doesn’t feel hard at all.
Spiny and very grippy.
Great control.
Good arc.
Better than MX-P in my opinion.

Moved to this rubber from Fastarc. It has more control for me in a way, very unresponsive to incoming spin, or maybe my touch has improved. I use it on both sides max on Shang kun and it works brilliantly.

Good control and spin.

The rubber has plenty gears and is excellent on passive strokes.

Max thickness on custom-made slower blade.
Great control and insane spin.

As usual, good stuff.

According to Tibhar’s website, Mx-S and Mx-P have the same parameters of spin, speed, and hardness. I was looking for a softer rubber for my backhand. It’s a great rubber, but I was searching for something not so fast.

Sehr griffig. Gut zum Blocken und Kontern. Topspin auch auf Halbdistanz ist super.

Excellent grippy rubber. A little slower than MX-P (allegedly) but still very fast and much spinnier. Excellent for looping. Control is also good when hitting the ball over the table. Can’t go wrong with this rubber. Not sure how good it is in terms of durability.

I use it for my forehand on a Petr Korbel blade, and I can generate insane spin with it, but I feel that blocking is not as good as MX-P.

Good rubber for spin and control.

I put on the Samsonov Force Pro Black Edition with the maximum thickness.
On the other side, there is MX-P 1.9-2.0.
I tried playing for a month both on the left and on the right. But I couldn’t get used to it and deal with it. Perhaps it’s all about my skills. For amateurs, this rubber probably doesn’t fit.
I have noted the following advantages for myself:

• excellent blocking;
• spin when serving;

Old good and very high quality rubber.

Quite fast and also good spin and control.

Tibhar’s high-quality ESN rubber product line. Nothing special beyond that, though it is worth noting that the sponge is noticeably softer than MX-P. I would recommend it for a traditional two-winged looper or blocker style.

I feel like this is one of the safest rubbers you can buy if you are uncertain what kind of offensive rubber to buy. However, keep in mind that this is a powerful, high-grade rubber. You can easily use this on either forehand or backhand. At first glance, this rubber does lack control, but it’s quite manageable with the correct technique. 9.5/10.

Great rubber, fast, grippy, easy to play.

Good on both BH and FH. Best alternative to the expensive Butterfly T05.

Not had long enough to test it, but it seems like a good quality rubber. Exceptionally brilliant service again from Table Tennis 11. Thanks, Paul.

This rubber works well on both my forehand and backhand, but it is definitely best on my backhand, which uses a quicker stroke. I have received many compliments on the quality and spin of my backhand. These rubbers definitely benefit from a fast stroke, which really catapults the ball.

This rubber offers great spin with speed as well.

This is a fairly typical newer generation tensor. There’s really nothing bad to say about the rubber. It’s high quality. Has a high throw. It spins the ball quite well. The newer tensors seem to be a little better with the short game. The early generation tensors were overly bouncy. It was hard to keep the ball short.

Excellent feeling on BH, very good quality/price ratio.

Tibhar is my main rubber and has been for 6+ years. It has high spin and great control. It makes people fear my backhand at the club, which is funny because I used to play penhold and that was not the case then.

Great rubber with incredible control, good speed, and perfect spin. If you use your whole body in your strokes, I recommend it.

Rubber does everything well, from looping to pushing and everything in between.

One of the best rubbers on the market, if not the best. Perfect rubber for the Donic Waldner WC89 OFF blade. Good speed, spin, and most of all, awesome blocking.

I liked trying this MX-S, but it was too fast for my BH. I need to try it on the FH, I haven’t done it yet.

Good for spin and control, ok.
For me, though, the throw angle seemed a bit unpredictable.
(Though this may be my technique!)
Went back to using T05 and G1.

Pārsmagai, bet man ļoti piemērota FH gumija (MX-P man bija pārāk ātra).

Great spin and power.

Nice spinny rubber with a decent amount of control, currently using it on my forehand and it works as expected.

Great FH and BH rubber with emphasis on spin. Very reliable on FH drives and loops, not very fast but still on the faster side, definitely quicker than average. Very easy to initiate an attack from the backhand. Very good on different blades with identical playing characteristics: Ovtcharov True Carbon, Barwell Fleet, Acoustic Carbon, Treiber K, Treiber CO OFF/S, Samsonov Force Pro, Tibhar Stratus Powerwood.
My normal setup is MX-S FH, Tenergy 05 BH on Ovtcharov True Carbon, Treiber K, Treiber CO OFF/S.

It is stickier and slower than Fastarc G1. I had a feeling like I was playing with light, soft Chinese rubber. It is not a spin monster as others describe, and the control is not superb. However, it is better than many rubbers I have played in terms of spin and control. After using a booster, it became a good rubber: more spinny and faster. I recommend using a booster.

Good rubber.

I recommend this rubber for anyone looking for great spin without sacrificing control. Durable as well, I have used this for over 6 months with no signs of wear.

High-end rubber. Very fast, but a tad slower than MX-P (also less catapult) and the new MX-D (MX-D requires more effort and better quality, more precise stroke, but can achieve higher top-end speed). Spin is on the higher end. I’ve tried this in 2.0 sponge thickness, and it was already a bit too much for me to handle during faster rallies. Sponge hardness is around 48 degrees on the ESN scale.

Excellent spin-oriented rubber. TT11 provides the best service.

Offers controlled speed with excellent spin. Not as hard as one might think. Good ball placement with top-notch blocking. Using the MAXIMUM THICKNESS on both sides of an inner-fiber blade and the touch and feel is like no other. The MX-S is in a class of its own, very nice. Tabletennis11 offers excellent pricing with fast shipping. VERY HAPPY!!!.

Very good rubber for my forehand attacks. Excellent speed, spin, and control. It is very effective for topspin too and also for straight play 1-2 meters away from the table. Like it, will order again and again.

Awesome!!! Not much more to say.

Does everything so well when matched with my Donic Waldner World Champion 89’ blade on both sides (max). Controllable speed with a low to medium trajectory. Power is there when needed with great blocking and counterattacking. Definitely one of the best rubbers of all time with its own personality. Great offer from Tabletennis11: buy 3 and you get the 4th one free. Excellent service, top-notch packing, and super fast shipping.

This rubber is suitable for all types of surfaces.

Offers controlled speed and a wonderful feel. Very nice quality rubber, what more can I say? 5 STARS and a 10.

Good quality rubbers at a good price.

Recommended for aggressive players.

I am currently using MX-P. I ordered 4 pieces of MX-S last month and tried to have a better spin for loops. However, it turned out the rubber is much harder than MX-P and harder to loop and spin when I am playing. I DON’T recommend this rubber, I will stick to MX-P.

Very good rubber, good feeling, good power (spin), suitable for mid-distance looping/counter looping. A good substitute for other expensive brand named rubbers out there.

Very similar playing characteristics to Fastarc G1, which is a very good rubber. Because the rubber is so hard, the forehand drive gives me a similar feel to hitting with Hurricane 3.
Overall, a very good quality rubber that lasts quite long. It has all the good perks of Fastarc G1: linear, low catapult, good grip, great spin. However, it is harder and slower than G1, also slightly heavier. I have no issue switching between G1 and MX-S in the middle of the match, just a slight speed difference.

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Similar to Chinese rubbers but with tension sponge. Require good technique and physical strength to bring out the power. The result is very rewarding if the shot is properly executed.

Very good rubber. Spinny, controllable, and fast enough to match the backhand.

Excellent rubber.

Mazliet lēnāka nekā Mxp.

I was skeptical at first since it’s a very hard and heavy rubber. But I gave it a try regardless.
God, this rubber is pure insanity!
It’s not forgiving at all; you need to hit the ball well, pushing hard and putting a lot of body energy. The rubber does very little to help you, poor catapult, so be ready to sweat and get tired pretty soon.
But the reward is infinite speed, power, and spin.
And surprisingly, a lot of arc even if the trajectory is low! If the ball is well brushed, the arc is amazing.
It’s basically a Chinese rubber (like Hurricane) on steroids!
It is also quite insensitive to incoming spin.
I’m planning to change it because I don’t have the adequate physical condition, I’m too old and I can’t keep up with the paste the rubber requires. But man, if you have good technique and your body is in good shape, try it out!
You’re gonna be amazed.

The MX-S is a very interesting rubber. It can produce heavy spin and can be very fast. But you do have to commit to the stroke in order for that to happen. I tried this several years ago and I did not like it because it didn’t behave the way MX-P did. Between regular MX-P and MX-S, I actually prefer MX-S now, as the control is way better and it has more potential (spin/speed/control). Here again, you have to unlock that potential, but it is there. As of now, I’m just using it on my FH, but I think I would actually like this on my BH. Coming from using MX-P 50 on my FH, this is slower, but not by too much. I’m looking forward to seeing how this rubber behaves after several months compared to how the MX-P 50 did after several months. This is a great rubber to try out for those who have good technical ability.

Usually, I don’t write reviews. Now I really want to recommend this rubber to my sports fellows. My USATT rating is 1850+ and I like to loop from both sides.
I have been playing with Tenergy 05 for many years, almost 10 years. I have to admit that it is a good rubber, but the price keeps going higher and higher. I have been trying to find all kinds of deals to bring the cost down, but no luck this time when I wanted to change my rubbers. So I decided to try something new. It is not difficult to ask around to get recommendations: Tibhar MX-P. Normally, I go with a little bit soft rubber so I got MX-S instead.

So far, I have been playing with the rubber for one month, twice a week on my Tim Boll ALC blade. The spinning is excellent, and I don’t feel much difference from T05. Defense is no problem, feeling the same as T05. The rubber is a little bit slower than I expected, either close to the table or in the middle far from the table. I attribute this to the soft rubber. I contacted TT11, asking if I can switch to MX-P and they said yes. Fantastical service! I didn’t because the shipping fee from the USA is killing. But I will try MX-P next time.

Overall, I am happy with the rubber. It is not the same as T05, but I would say for players below 2000, the little hard-to-tell difference doesn’t justify the huge difference in price.

Second most popular rubber from the Tibhar family. Feels slightly softer than the MX-P and has more control. The rubbers are superb.

This rubber is great for players who like to spin and have the touch to generate it. Good for close to the table and distance play. Does everything well but good stroke technique is needed to get the maximum benefit.
I have this rubber on my forehand in 2mm.
TT11 provided brilliant service, as usual.

Excelente goma, con un excelente efecto y control y bastante buena velocidad.

Great spin on loops. The feeling is somewhat soft when you brush the ball but feels hard when hitting.

One time, the topsheet of the rubber started coming off from the sponge right in the center of the rubber. It only happened once, and I’ve ordered many sheets.

This rubber is okay. It has good spin and lasts longer. It is a little harder and heavier, weighing 49 grams when cut on a Butterfly blade. It should be used with an Off-blade. You can use it for 3-4 months or 8 hours to 1 week. I am satisfied with the cheap prices. One-half of a Ten 80.

Hard rubber can produce a lot of spin, and it is very durable.

Una de las mejores gomas del mercado.

Good rubber, but not my favorite. Very heavy.

I tried many rubbers, including MX-P, FX-P, and Donic. This one is my favorite. Not too fast, not too soft or slow. Just what I need.

Great rubber!

This rubber is softer than MX-P, not quite as fast, but very spinny with a softer feel and good control. For me, it is a really good rubber to complement MX-S.

Una de las gomas con más efecto de Tibhar y con una muy buena velocidad.

It plays pretty well. I come from an H3 Neo user, and this rubber needs a little adjustment. However, the surface of the rubber loses gloss very fast and also shrinks a lot after sticking to the blade.

Una de las mejores gomas para spin y control, y buena velocidad.

I really like this rubber on the backhand. It offers a nice touch, great block control, and provides good spin quality.

I used it on my forehand since I have a fast blade. It generates a lot of spin even when I drive it with moderate strokes from a close-to-table position. When I make a forehand stroke away from the table, it generates a strong spin. When I use it with a backhand stroke, it easily generates an unexpected side spin. I like the way it performs for the affordable price.

Excellent rubber, a little slower than the MX-P, but it’s stickier and has more feeling.

Purchased for the forehand side on a Tibhar Balsa Allround 50 blade. This rubber does everything desired. It enhances the speed and spin characteristics of the blade while maintaining good control and feel, enabling a controlled and accurate (albeit slower) offensive forehand style of play. Touch is excellent with this combo too, enabling soft, short shots and simple service returns.

Quite heavy rubber. You need good technique and body coordination to bring out all the power it has. Somewhat like a Chinese tension rubber. Medium throw. Good at serving, receiving serves, and looping.

MX-S is a fantastic rubber. Before switching to MX-S, I’ve played with MX-P on my FH. MX-S is a bit slower, but has a bit more feeling for me on the blade, longer dwell time, which contributes to the spin varieties, and widens the playing ability. It is very good for me on the table, near the table, and away from the table. MX-S is very good to serve with, and is not as jumpy on touch shots as MX-P.

Good spin and control.

This rubber will do it all, the lower gears are still accessible and very linear when needed, but also can create super spinny open ups well. So far, my favorite blade attached is the DHS Fang Bo 2. It is best for me as my backhand on most blades, but it’s really good on my forehand with this blade. Great short game and serves if one has a decent touch. A small bounce, great grip and spin when needed. Its spin is insensitive when blocking and a great rubber to play with as it is not too sensitive. Durable as well.
9.4/10 would recommend to intermediate to pro-am players.

Switching from Butterfly 05 to this rubber for my backhand. Amazing rubber, great control, great spin, speed, and a good price.

This is the third time I am purchasing this rubber. I had it on my Stiga all-round carbon (FH), Butterfly Gionis all-round carbon (FH), and Latika 7 (FH). It plays brilliantly on all of them, the flexible blades complement the hard but very spinny rubber while still maintaining good speed.

Great rubber, but it does not tolerate mistakes.

Great for looping. Touchy when blocking.

The rubber is excellent, and the delivery was quick with everything intact.

Once it is used a little, apply a little booster, then you can do wonders with this rubber, even better spin than MXP.

I have been using this rubber with more than 10 types of racquets and found them all to be appropriate. The best is probably to go with 10 mm hinoki. MX-P is slightly faster, but not much. They are both close to Tenergy.

Хороший продукт. Цена/качество просто супер!

Hasta ahora, después de un mes de uso, cumple con todas mis expectativas. Muy buen agarre y control.

Muy buena adherencia y manejo. Permite un muy buen control.

I have tried many rubbers, so I feel that I’m in a good position to compare MX-S to anything on the market. For me, this rubber has the best combination of speed, spin, and control. Speed and spin can easily be varied to disrupt your opponent’s rhythm. Looping, driving, blocking, touching close to the net, spinny serves - it’s got the lot. Durability is very good. Quite heavy, so I suggest combining it with a lightweight blade. Out of curiosity, I am going to try EL-S on my backhand, but I doubt that it will be any better than playing MX-S on both sides.

Very good.

It is a great rubber, just needs to get a bit of used to it to get the best of it.

This rubber is a little bit slower than MX-P. I use it for my backhand just because my backhand is very good. Evolution series rubbers are very high quality rubbers. For my forehand, I use MX-P. Sometimes I think I should have tried FX-P for my forehand just because it provides more control for your blade. Overall I’m very happy with both rubbers MX-S and MX-P as well. Recommended for offensive style players.

Used it to replace the Tibhar Q1 for BH. Feels pretty good.

This rubber really impressed me! I played with Chinese rubbers for a long time, then switched to Tenergy 05, and in the end, without losing speed, without losing spin, with a slightly lower trajectory (thanks to the hard sponge, and therefore comfortable for me after several years of China) - I acquired an excellent weapon that with the Lebesson blade (Tibhar) - yes, slightly more challenging than 05, but sharper, and with an excellent hard block.

Good rubber with super grip. Good price compared to Andro and Donic ones. Durable rubber.

Cons: heavy, less bouncy than Tenergy 05.

I returned to table tennis with a 1700+ rating and liked Tenergy because my winning shot is my forehand loop and kill. Changing rubber every few months became expensive, so I changed to Tibhar Evolution MX-P. Then I tried MX-S and found that I was more consistent with flat kills, could block better, and did not sacrifice spin. Great for forehand attack!

Similar to the P series.

As per all the reviews, this rubber handles beautifully. I am using it on my backhand and it has great control. You are able to direct the ball where you want it. I have a good backhand smash/loop, and this rubber performs well for it. Tried it on my forehand and it works very well as well.

Less catapult effect than Tenergy 05, the feel is somehow like Chinese rubber but with decent speed and super spin. Recommended for advanced players.

Quite frankly, I didn’t play with it enough to review it. It seems heavy and hard, a bit less lively than MXP.

So let me just say, great service from TT11 as usual.

I spent weeks studying before choosing the Tibhar Evolution line rubbers for my new racket. I wanted something spinnier than my Xiom Omega IV Europe DF.

The MX-P was really what I had my eyes on, but at the last minute, I selected the MX-S for my weak backhand because of reviews mentioning it was slower, spinnier, and easier to control.

Wow, the MX-S fits my style perfectly (aggressive fast attack with flat hits but wanting to add more spin and loop to my play). After switching it to my forehand, I was pleasantly surprised to discover that its low-throwing angle put many of my riverboat-gamble low smashes on the table! This had never happened with other rackets before.

In other cases, the spin of my long serve caused the ball to veer off at the last minute, causing my opponent to actually miss contact. Another first.

In short, I suddenly appear to be a better player than I actually am :>).

Perhaps because of my familiarity with the fast Xiom Omega IV Europe, the MX-P didn’t stand out to me as expected. I felt more confident with the MX-S and wish that I had it on both sides of my racket (Tibhar Drinkhall Powerspin Carbon).

Tabletennis11.com is great by the way. I’m from Canada and was hesitant to buy from a site that far away, but I couldn’t find a local supply for both rubbers. I’m glad I did. Very fast shipment. Highly recommend.

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Not bouncy or catapulting, hard, very spinny. Used by Samsonov.

Very good for my forehand.

Probably the best forehand ESN rubber I’ve tried. I much preferred MX-S to MX-P as I’m not a fan of a huge catapult, maybe because I am used to playing Chinese rubbers. High grip, amazing spin, great control, and plenty of speed.

After years of using Tenergy 05 and 05fx, I stumbled across the Evolution MX-S. Since it was about half the cost of Tenergy, I decided to give it a try. I was amazed to find that I had more spin and control, not only with loops but with touch shots. For my game, I have found no downsides. I highly recommend MX-S.

Super spinny. More than any other non-tacky rubber. No catapult, hard sponge. Good for serving and topspin against backspin where the mega-grippy topsheet and non-bouncy sponge are perfect. Lovely but special.

I came from playing with Tenergy 05 on a Viscaria blade which I love; if it had not been for the cost, I would not have looked for something else. Luckily for me, MX-S has been perfect; controlled touch and inviting to play drives with great spin that nicely drives the ball in unpleasant directions for the opponent. MX-S feels rewarding as when you put effort into a stroke, you get something significant in return. I also liked MX-P but right now, that rubber is too fast for me as I prefer the control that MX-S gives me to cover the ball and keep the ball on the table.

Great.

Everyone buys MX-P as a replacement for Tenergy, and I did as well. My strength is my forehand loop, but I would like to be as confident in forehand kills.

However, I tried MX-S because I heard it had better control and was better for kills. I have to agree as MX-S increased my confidence in forehand kills. It is also superb for blocking and control.

Additionally, TableTennis11.com is a great retailer. I ordered from http://www.tabletenniskingdom.com/ one time and it took 21 days for them to deliver even though I paid extra for fast shipping. TableTennis11.com is quick and reliable.

Отличная накладка для игры на форхенде и бэкхенде.

I play with this rubber on my BH, and the spin and control are amazing.

Отличная накладка.

MX-S has a harder sponge than MX-P and is best suited for the forehand.

Outstanding place to buy ping pong stuff.

Very fast delivery. I will shop again at this place.

Very good rubber for my forehand.

I use this on my BH. Great control and you need to use full body language to generate spin. I was able to play shots like never before and I’m very happy with it.

The rubber that I have is way below expectations.

Still looking for the spin, can’t figure out why it has such a high spin rating! Otherwise, it’s a good rubber, fast enough, but not a great 97 spin in my opinion!

I’ve tried most Evolution rubbers and MX-S doesn’t behave like the rubbers from the P series.

MX-S is a heavy, very hard rubber, with little to almost no bounciness, a medium throw on hard strokes that becomes medium-low on light strokes and a top sheet with great grip, but not tacky.

The amount of spin produced by MX-S is great, but the lack of catapult from its sisters from the P series makes MX-S slower and not as good as MX-P away from the table. It is also an unforgiving rubber, if you are not in a great position it’s probable that the ball will find the net.

It is a good rubber, but I didn’t enjoy my time with MX-S and took it off my blade after four sessions. I just couldn’t play well with this rubber on my backhand where the lack of catapult and lower throw than the rubbers I’m used to made it tough to play there, and despite being able to play very well with it on my forehand, I like MX-P, EL-P, M1, Powergrip, or any faster, a bit softer and more aggressive rubbers better.

The lower throw and lack of bounciness make MX-S good for blocking, easy to play the short game, and to keep serves low. The amount of spin generated is great on serves, pushes, or loops, but the rubber touch is really hard. It feels like a Chinese rubber, but lacks that nice high arc from these rubbers and is not tacky.

MX-S is extremely spinny! Fast but not too fast. It’s a hard medium firmness that stays consistent. Short and mid-distance play with no problem. It’s my BH & FH rubber now!

Attached this rubber with ZJK ALC blade setup. Spin and speed are impressive. Short game is also strong with spin, and ball trajectory is low. The control and blocking on this rubber is fantastic.

This rubber provides a good balance between speed and control, making it suitable for players looking for versatility in their game. The tackiness of the rubber also allows for good spin potential, giving the ball nice arc and placement on the table. The durability is also fair.

Good!

A must-have for powerful forehand loops.

正手发力后质量很高，胶面摩擦好，就是容易起鳞。

Incredible rubber with outstanding spin!

This is a fantastic rubber if you have great footwork, which I don’t. You have to be in position to have an effective loop with this rubber. If you want a bouncier and better rubber for when you are out of position, then get the MXP.

If you want a bit less catapult, more spin capabilities, and better in touch play (than MX-P), give this a try!

This rubber in the Revolution series has good friction.

The best friction in the Evolution series, top German rubber, can be used for both forehand and backhand, a little harder on the backhand side.

Good spin (9/10). Not very fast (9/10) with good control.

Thanks TT11 for the fast shipping.
I like MX-P more than this one.

Average ESN rubber, good control, speed, and spin. Very good on the backhand side because of the dwell and above-average control.

I use it for my BH topspins. Very spinny.

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Very good spin, speed is good enough for me.
I like it much more than Tenergy 05.

Very good.

It is a very good rubber, excellent spin and control, great catapult effect. I am very pleased with its performance. Very similar to T05.

Very, very good rubber.

I’ve used it on my Zetro Quad blade in max thickness on the forehand for about 16 hours so far with a celluloid ball.

It behaves pretty much like the Xiom Omega V Tour in many aspects but still maintains its individuality in others. It is a hard rubber (Tibhar says up to 48 degrees), even harder than OVT, but it doesn’t feel that hard when playing.
Not very sensitive to incoming spin.

The dwell time is great and seems to be even a bit more than OVT.

The feel I like with the celluloid ball (didn’t test with plastic yet).

The speed is not the top out there and greatly depends on your arm acceleration. Yes, the catapult is almost absent, and the rubber is quite linear, which is good for short play but in some situations, you will be missing the catapult.

The throw is medium in my opinion. Depending on your stroke, you can produce an even higher arc when spinning the ball heavily. On a fast stroke, the arc is quite low. So the arc is definitely lower than Tenergy 05, but I think a bit higher than or the same as Tenergy 64.

The spin is what is the best about this rubber.

The control is great as well.

Overall, I love this rubber much and can recommend it to anyone unless you need a catapult.

This rubber needs a proper/full swing stroke.

Pretty hard rubber with excellent grip.
The best rubber for the polyball for me.
Very easy to lift backspin and good speed.
My only problem was that it didn’t react in the same manner
at times. Continuous looping, suddenly the ball just drops in the net, same stroke but now it flies over the table. Reglued, but the same thing happened. In both backspin and topspin stroke.

The spin is strong, the speed is fast, the hits are powerful, and the control of the small ball is also good. It’s great to play with, worth buying.

Excellent rotation and speed, good quality rubber. A good set of rubbers.

The rubber is a good choice for quick players who prefer a topspin style and good control.

This rubber is almost equivalent to Butterfly Spinart. The throw angle is low. The spin generated is tremendous. Slower than any of the Tenergy rubbers or MX-P. But a good buy for loopers.

Harder than the FX version but softer than the MX-P. After 2 layers of Falco long booster show: speed approximately the same as T05 FX, rotation a bit less (harder to make banana flick from the backhand on the table), control is better (easy to make blocks and drives).